Andrea Rosebrock 
In a stunning case of animal cruelty, a Las Vegas woman, Cynthia Carrillo, wants justice after her little 20-lb Shih Tzu, Wiggles, was brutally beaten after a 7-year-old neighborhood boy walked into her gated enclosed yard and abused tot he dog. Wiggles suffered from a broken jaw, busted out teeth and popped out eye vessels.
“I really want justice to be done and somebody to be punished,” said owner Cynthia Carrillo.
Neighbors say they saw the boy walk into the yard then heard to dog screaming in pain and when the neighbors yelled at the boy he took off running.
“To know that he actually beat a dog that bad, it’s shocking, because he’s a little kid. He’s as old as my daughter,” said neighbor Becky Rivera.
Nearly unconscious, Wiggles was rushed to the vet where he spent two days. The initial prognosis was questionable but now it looks like he will recover but have have to undergo some painful and no doubt expensive surgery.
Police are investigating the one of the problems here is that this child cannot be charged, the age of intent in Nevada is 8-years-old and this boy is only 7. There is the possibility that the child’s parents could be cited for this though.
“Somebody needs to be talked to, to find out what is going through this little kid’s mind to want to do something like that,” added Carrillo.
No matter how often you see and hear about these stories of abuse and cruelty, they get to you but I think when you find out the abuser is a juvenile and or child it is worse. You have to wonder what has gotten into kids like this to make them do something so brutal and cruel, especially at the tender age of 7. What are the parents teaching or not teaching?
I am thankful that Wiggles will recover, although not without pain and posibly surgery. Someone needs to be held responsible for this little cretin’s actions and if not him, then his parents must be. There is a problem here and as much as punishment of some sort, at least financial restitution, someone needs to find out what is wrong with this child! If this is just pushed under the carpet, what is the future for this child? Escalation of abuse, more criminal activity? This is not just a childish prank or being a boy. This is cruel and heartless!
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It appears the neighbors recognize this senseless cruelty as an act that requires consequences for this evil child who committed the crime. Perhaps, old fashioned community, collective outrage and shunning – not forgetting this act – this boy will also have an effect on him in this case. The parents, if they care at all, should make sure he is punished severely – plus put him under psychol. treatment, and police should list him as a dangerous potential criminal for the rest of his life, unless he sincerely feels remorse and changes dramatically. As for me, I would always fear this boy, as he grows into a stronger man, because obviously, anyone who could do this to a helpless dog, purposely is depraved and missing important compassionate emotions. Maybe his mother was a drug addict when she carried him. Many reasons, maybe – but none are acceptable or forgivable, in my opinion. Hard Line- animal lover!
WELL IF HE CAN’T BE CHARGED THEN HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE HOME HE IS IN AS HIS PARENTS OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT DOING TOO GOOD OF A JOB RAISING HIM. ALSO MAKE HIS PARENT PAY THIS POOR LITTLE ONES VET BILLS MAYBE THAT WILL OPEN THEIR EYES AS TO THEIR SONS BEHAVIOR.
This child sounds like a sociopath and should be monitored carefully. Everyone is by now aware of how many serial killers started out by abusing and killing animals. I would hate to be a neighbor of this child. I’m assuming that by now he’s been identified.
Both the parents of this sociopathic child should be prosecuted to the very fullest extent of the law–just as if they had performed this cruelty themselves!!!!!
And this sicko kid? He needs to be taken out over the Pacific and thrown out of a chopper. I’ve never, ever before called a child a POS, but THIS ONE fully qualifies.
That seems to be a huge problem in all the stories I read where the abuser was a minor – they can’t receive nearly enough punishment. It’s not fair that they can get away with things. Hopefully, when they read how the public feels about this type of thing and when they are shunned by so many people, maybe they will be afraid to hurt an animal. But if it were up to me, I’d like to get rid of these kids who intentionally hurt an animal – the world would be a better place without them. THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLASS IN GRADE SCHOOL THAT TEACHES CHILDREN THAT DOGS (ANIMALS) ARE LIVING BEINGS LIKE US AND FEEL PAIN, FEAR, LONLINESS, AND SADNESS JUST LIKE WE DO. And it’s worse because we can do something when someone abuses us, but dogs have no choice but to accept what someone does. They have to accept the life we give them no matter how sad and lonely or painful it is. So unfair.
Someone should beat his ASS !!
Little bastard needs a good spanking , or at least a good ear twist
Back in the day, my parents would of given me the BELT if they caught me or heard of me doing that.
This is horrible, just horrible. For the safety of the animal community, this little monster should be put down…..
Using violence on the kid will only produce more violence. I can’t think of any situation where violence is the best answer. But he and the parents both need psychiatric examination and treamtent before he goes on to do it to another animal or a person.
I can see where violence is a good choice here, because (as Judy illuded to) if they were to euthanize that worthless 7 year old boy, then the chance of more cruelty done by him would die too. Problem solved, no repercussions.
Freedom of speech is a great thing!
Using violence deters, if he knew he would get an ass kicking he would not have done this .It is human nature that if a bully gets bullied , he thinks twice . This is a future bully
Or a homicidal murderer. Who knows, I read somewhere that this is how serial killers get their start.
This little nut case needs his ass kicked.He is a psycho and needs to be put away somewhere before he kills.His parents need to be checked out too~Come on there must have been some clue that their little “darling” was a nutcase.Poor Wiggles I hope this freaks parents have to pay all the vet bills plus damages .My heart breaks for Wiggles and his family and I hope he fully recovers from this horrible abuse.Poor baby.
WAIT 1 SECOND HERE PEOPLE REMEMBER YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A CHILD. DID YOU EVER STOP TO THINK IF THIS WAS YOUR CHILD? DID YOU EVER STOP TO THINK THAT MAYBE THIS CHILD HAS MENTAL PROBLEMS? I HAVE TO SAY THIS THAT I DON’T LIKE ALL THE TALKING ABOUT KILLING THIS CHILD SEE I HAVE A CHILD WITH AUTISM,BI-POLAR,PSYCHO EFFECT DISORDER. AND LET ME TELL YOU THIS IF THIS WAS MY CHILD & YOU ALL TALKED LIKE THIS YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ME FIRST. THIS CHILD NEEDS HELP NOT KILLED. NOW DON’T GET ME WRONG I DO LOVE ANIMALS & I TEACH MY CHILD HOW TO LOVE & CARE FOR THEM AS WE HAVE 2 DOGS & HE LOVES THEM.AND IF HE WOULD EVER HURT THEM I WOULD TEACH HIM THAT WE DON’T DO THAT TO ANY ANIMAL. THIS CHILD OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT HAVE ANYONE TEACHING HIM THESE VALUES. SO PLEASE STOP ALL THIS TALK ABOUT KILLING THIS CHILD AS HE NEEDS HELP NOT HIT OR KILLED.
I am Bi-Polar and have Psyco-Neurosis with a Borderline Personality Disorder and I know not to go around hurting people or animals. I do agree however that to say someone would kill this child is probably just an angry expression. I doubt for one minute that any of us in here would really harm a child. That would make us as bad as the monsters we are here to stop.
I think since this child is deemed to young to be held responible for his actions, his parents should be made to pay the vet bills for this poor little dog. I also think the families name and the childs name especially should be posted to the news papers. Maybe a little humiliation will drive home the severity of what he has done. I also think he should be psyciatricly evaluated. If he can do this to a small dog, what would he do to a small child left in his mothers care? Or even a sibling?
Wait a minute here, what about that 13 year old boy who killed the four year old boy? That red headed kid? Do you remember that one? He tortured the poor kid before killing him. I do not understand how, in today’s information age, people seem to think their kids are growing up as nieve as we did back in the 50’s and 60’s. It just isn’t so. I think today’s children are on information overload and don’t get to be kids the way we older people got to be kids. I’ve dated men with children and all the kids do is sit around the house, no fort building, playing ball in the back fields, etc. Also, parents are too indulgent of their children now and just give them what they want so the kids will shut up…not a good way to raise someone, they become self-indulgent and then people ask why they act that way…huh? I really don’t agree with what this child has done, he certainly should not be “killed”, but he really does need to be examined for some underlying reason as to why he did what he did.
Oh do I agree with you that kids nowadays are not kids. Sometimes the parents do not allow them to be “kids”, and do the things we used to do as a child. They have had too much too soon, and have the influences of “more tv stations” to watch, movies that are not appropriate for their age group, video games and the internet. They have grown up watching violent movies on tv, not having the wholesome television shows that were aired in the 1950’s and 1960’s.
Isn’t it funny that dog people understand the bully breeds, and always say that it is how you raise them. Well the same goes for children. It is all about how you raise them. This one quite possibly was raised to be a bully.
Sooo agree with you on that one…we need to keep our dogs on a leash and pay attention to them at all times, even when they disagree with us on our commands, but humans are much more dangerous and yet they are allowed to run around unsupervised. I am not saying you should leash your kids, but pay attention to them more, teach them better and correct them when they are wrong. Isn’t that what parenting is?
I thought that was what parenting was all about. Maybe the parents did not take the same classes we did (lol).
First off, let’s go back. Where the hell was the mother when she was, as a parent, supposed to be supervising her child? What kind of parent is this that allows a child of 7 to wander, even if it is “in the neighborhood”? By unlocking a gate, and entering into another person’s yard, without permission is breaking and entering. Now, as to the child having some type of disorder, ie autism, or whatever, if a child is autistic or has been diagnosed with any type of disorder, you do not leave him/her to wander unsupervised. My daughter in law teaches and specializes in autistic children (and young adults), so I am not ignorant when it comes to this subject. These type of children need regimentation, not “oh go find something to do” attitude. This child abused this poor little pup something terrible. And yes, it is the beginnings of becoming a serial killer or however you would like to phrase it. Prime example is Dahmer. The parents of this child need to be held responsible for his actions. DCFS should also be brought in to investigate, because as I said before, a special needs child needs special attention, and if these parents are unable to give the child the attention and teach him what is right from wrong, maybe they should not have the child at all. I do not believe in my deepest heart, that anyone of us would hurt this child, except a good belt whipping. And D, I do not think you would have got the belt for an action such as this, because I do not thing you would have done anything so vile. It is the fact that a person would be so disgusted with a child that they would say something like that.
Furthermore, I do not believe most of us would ever hurt an animal as a child, not only because it was wrong, but I believe we were afraid of disappointing our parents, and much more fearful of the end result if they found out we did something bad/wrong.
Wiggles, I just pray that with time, you will heal, and be back to yourself. You have a mom that really loves you, and I promise, I believe she will be more watchful over you from now on.
Most behavior is learn by watching or listing, can not image what he must have seen to make this ok. Dog fighting, hostile mam, dad, who knows, but I do know this, get that kid some help, he is the kind that will kill a person next. I am not saying, kill him, although he would have if left alone. I wander if he plays violent video games, to many kids do now. We want even let my grand son (2) play with toy guns, we teach him they are bad. I am also wandering why wiggles was in the yard alone and so small when it happened. Where was Wiggles person? Was she outside by her self in the LV heat. I hope she keeps her in from now on. I love shih tzu, they are one of the sweetest dogs in the world. All dogs are suppose to be a blessing, in a way you have to feel sorry that a 7 year old can’t feel the joy of being with a dog and playing for fun with it. So sad, most little boys just love dogs automatically
WTF!!! these evil little bastards get younger n younger!! this punk’s parents should b MADE 2 pay all the vet bills. hang in there, Wiggles. i’m keeping a wee blue healing candle going for u.
The parents should be held legally & financially responsible for the actions of the boy…and just what is going on in that household that this boy would do something so vicious? What has he seen? How is he treated? Social services need to be involved to investigate the parents and the psyche of the child and determine what should be done to at least attempt to correct the situation. It’s horrible but every mass murderer & serial murderer has started out tormenting & killing animals.
Wiggles, we are praying for a full recovery.
I am also quite sure this 7y/o will grow up to be a problem to society. I am also quite sure the parents are low life’s theirselves. You read about so called children committing rape, abuse and even murder. What do you do with them? There does not seem to be cure for this problem except they should not have been born. Oh that’s right this is a democracy and we can’t forbid people who are not upright type of citizen’s to NOT be allowed to reproduce!
Sorry, but this kid and his family should be shunned by the community and the police place him under watch for his future acts. The parents should also be sued and brought to trial for the current and future vet costs as well as pain and suffering. If they lose their house, oh well. Don’t give me that crap about his being a kid because he is future criminal and plague on society.
JOAN YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN AS YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS CHILD HAS MENTAL PROBLEMS OR HE MAY BE AN ABUSED CHILD. TO SHUN THIS CHILD WHEN HE MAY HAVE EITHER OF THESE THINGS GOING ON IN HIS LIFE IS NOT RIGHT. HIS PARENTS NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED & THE SITUATION IN THAT HOUSEHOLD LOOKED AT VERY CLOSELY TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY GOING ON.
This kid is a criminal now and he and his parents should be treated as such. Look at the case of Eric Smith who killed a five year old because he was angry in 1993. His parole board turned him down because he is great con man and sociopath. This little boy who beat the dog is just another example of damaged goods and a threat to the people about him. Don’t give him any slack because he is a “little boy” who did not know what he was doing. Or would you want you dog or pet beaten my someone like this.
JOAN YOU ARE BEING REALLY CYNICAL. YOU WOULD HELP AN ANIMAL IN TROUBLE SO WOULD YOU DO LESS FOR A HUMAN? NOW DON’T GET ME WRONG I DON’T CONDONE WHAT HE DID BUT WE DON’T KNOW THE SITUATION THIS CHILD MAY BE IN. LIKE I SAID HE MAY HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY I KNOW ALL ABOUT MENTAL PROBLEMS HAVING A CHILD WITH AUTISM,BI-POLAR,& PSYCHO EFFECT DISORDER
AND MY CHILD IS NOT DAMAGED GOODS AND NEITHER IS THIS CHILD IF HE HAPPENS TO HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS. THE WAY YOU TALK ANYONE BEING BORN WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS SHOULD BE KILLED WHEN THEY ARE BORN. THESE ARE SPECIAL PEOPLE GOD PUT ON THIS EARTH TO LOVE & HELP NOT KILL THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS. OR THIS CHILD MAY BE BEING ABUSED BY HIS PARENTS IN WHICH CASE HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS HOME & GIVEN THE HELP HE NEEDS. SO PLEASE STOP REFERRING TO PEOPLE WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS AS DAMAGED GOOD AS I DO NOT APPRECIATE THAT.
Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and David Berkowitz are just a few of the serial killers who abused animals as children. A study showed people who abuse animals are five times more likely to abuse other humans
Both children and dogs are born to trust so something bad must have happened to this boy, I hope he is given help because he is on the path toward being a real threat to society
May I suggest starting a petition? There are plenty of us animal lovers who would be more than happy to sign. I realize this boy may have mental problems but then that means he needs help. If he doesn’t have mental problems then he still needs considerable help. The parents should be held responsible for this poor little dog’s pain and suffering. What is going on at home, that a 7-year-old goes out and tortures and abuses an innocent little animal?
None of us can say for sure what made this kid the way he is. But I think we can all agree on this: He was not being supervised closely enough by his parents. I think he should be removed from there custody as they have abdicated their responsibility. And if an investigation determines that this child was acting out because of abuse inflicted by his parents maybe they should be spayed and neutered so that they can’t bring any more children into the world.
This message is to Janet. I am not attacking you or your special needs child personally. Also, please don’t write in capitals as it is unnecessary, and it appears that you are screaming at your audience. I am an animal lover and, frankly, as a human being and an anthropology student, there is a dark side to everyone in the human species. Animal abuse is one of the major indicators of a possible criminal like Bundy and his other associated friends.
The case needs to be investigated and if the parents are not up to raising this potential criminal, then alternative methods have to be found. Every year, younger and younger children are committing more deadly crimes and this kid has already shown his potential as an child.
I too am disabled with depression and several types of anxiety disorders, but most diabled individuals do not commit crimes like this little boy. Once a sociopathic personality begins, it is often impossible to turn that person about. Look at the criminal facts and the forensics of other cases. I suggest that you look at the Eric Smith case of 1993 or 1994 as a classic example. This is a young man who should be in jail for killing a five year old boy for the rest of his life. Did he start out abusing animals as well as the other criminal indicators, and the signs were ignored too. So, between the two of us, let us agree to disagree. I wish you and your child well.
JOAN I ALWAYS TYPE IN CAPS AS IT’S JUST EASIER FOR ME TO BOTH READ & I’M NOT A GOOD TYPER & CAN’T REMEMBER TO SWITCH BACK AND FORTH. DEANNA IS OK WITH THIS. THANK YOU FOR THE LETTER. I DIDN’T MEAN TO BE SO HARSH BUT I JUST GET A LITTLE UP TIGHT WHEN PEOPLE TALK DOWN ABOUT PEOPLE WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS AS I’M SURE YOU RUN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM. PLUS A LOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE ARE TALKING ABOUT KILLING THIS CHILD AND I DON’T LIKE THAT. YES I KNOW ALL ABOUT PEOPLE HURTING ANIMALS & GROW UP TO BE KILLERS AND LIKE I SAID I DO NOT CONDONE WHAT HE DID AS I’M AN ANIMAL LOVER AS WELL AND I WOULD GO TO ANY MEANS TO PROTECT THEM. ALL I’M SAYING IS WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE SITUATION WITH THIS CHILD IS LIKE I SAID HE MAY HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS. BUT I BELIEVE HE JUST MIGHT BE LIVING IN AN ABUSED HOME & IF THIS IS THE CASE HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THERE YESTERDAY. WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN THIS CHILDS HOME BEFORE WE CAN EVEN BEGIN TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
A 7 yr old boy should know better. AND, IF, he is mental in any way, the parents should be shot for letting him out of their site. Yes, this young boy, if he hasn’t already done far worse, is going to become a murderer, rapist, animal killer or something we all wish would not exist on earth. The parents should absoloutly be held responsible for this childs actions. Pay the vet bills and get him some serious mental help…..and very quickly! Poor Wiggles……just wrong!
This child is NOT mentally ill, he is evil. At 7 yrs old, I was more than aware what the difference between right and wrong was; this child is a sociopath. I have known many child victims of abuse, and none of them would even dream of doing this to an animal. Likewise, I have taught children with mental illnesses, and they also would never harm an animal. This little evil piece of crap child, along with his screw-up parents should be sent to an island somewhere. It makes me sick that I have to share the earth with scum like this. It makes me so damn angry that human beings constantly will make excuses for a weak member of society, when we should just get rid of them.
Lauren, that was very well said, and I appreciate it, as I said before, my daughter in law teaches special ed, and when I had asked her if she in her heart of hearts believed that one of her students would harm an animal, she said no way. I even send her pictures of animals for her to share with her students, and all her “kids” oooh and ahhh, and wish they could just cuddle with the animals. So yes, he is evil, and not mentally handicapped.
SUSIE THIS B**** HAS NO IDEA WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT. MY SON DOES HAVE VIOLENT OUTBURST AT TIMES AS HE IS BI-POLAR & HAS PSYCHO EFFECT DISORDER AND THIS B**** HAS OBVIOUSLY NEVER TOUGH ANYONE LIKE THIS. PEOPLE LIKE HER MAKE ME SICK & I’M VERY VERY INSULTED BY HER COMMENT.
HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS CHILD IS NOT MENTALLY ILL. AND DON’T TELL ME NO MENTALLY ILL CHILD WOULD NEVER DO THIS AS I KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT AS I LIVE WITH A CHILD WHO DOES HAVE VIOLENT OUTBURST AT TIMES YOU MAY HAVE TOUGH CHILDREN WITH MENTAL ILLNESS BUT YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY NEVER TAKEN CARE OF ONE 24/7. TO SAY WE SHOULD SEND THIS CHILD TO AN ISLAND SOME WHERE IS AN INSULT TO ME AND MY FAMILY. PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK WHO HAVE NO CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. WHY DON’T YOU GO TO SOME ISLAND IF YOU DON’ LIKE IT.
Janet, no need to result to name calling between the regular posters. Ok, you might be insulted, but guess what, no where in that article did it say that this child has mental illness or has a history of mental illness. If I am not mistaken, you were the one that brought that subject up on this post, not D, nor in the article. Yes, we all have our crosses to bear in life, and your cross is that you care for a handicapped child 24/7. I took care of my parents for over 20 years, one of them having Alzheimers, but you don’t hear me crabbing about that, and suggesting someone has Alzheimers.(you want to talk about sudden outbursts? Take care of Alzheimers patients) Stay on topic, and do not judge others because of their opinions. Thanks.
SUSIE I KNOW IT NEVER SAID THAT THIS CHILD DID OR DID NOT HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS BUT WE STILL DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE CASE UNTILL A MENTAL EVALUATION IS DONE ON HIM & UNTILL WE FIND OUT DIFFERENT WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE HIM SO HARSHLY. I’M SORRY I GOT SO MAD BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON HERE TALKING ABOUT KILLING THIS CHILD WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE FACTS. YES I KNOW ALL ABOUT PEOPLE WITH ALZHEIMER’S & HOW VIOLENT THEY CAN GET BUT WOULD YOU LIKE FOR SOME ONE TO SUGGEST KILLING THEM JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR DISABILITY? I THINK NOT.ALL I ASK IS FOR PEOPLE STOP TALKING ABOUT KILLING THIS CHILD BEFORE WE KNOW ALL THE FACTS & IF IT IS FOUND OUT HE HAS MENTAL ILLNESS TRY TO GET HIM HELP OR PUT HIM INTO A MENTAL INSTUITION NOT TO KILL HIM.
Janet, you are evading a point here. Yes, in anger and being pissed off about this whole situation, yes, people are going to say things that they in the real world would never take action on. I would never kill a child, nor hurt, abuse or kill an animal. But the fact that this child, who might or might not have mental illness has done something so shocking to society, that there will be harsh words said. Whether or not the child has mental illness, the parents are still responsible for his actions until he reaches legal age. As I said in my first post on this subject, I question the whereabouts of the parents – in this day and age, you do not leave a 7 yr old to wander – and I quote myself – “even if it is just in the neighborhood”. Quit taking this as a personal attack, which is what you are doing. People are going to voice their opinions, which is what D had intended when starting this site. We are all entitled to our opinions, whether or not some one else here agrees with what we are saying. Calm down, because it is not personal. And by the way, no, I would not harm or kill someone with Alzheimers. Yes, it is a disability, but you know what, each and every one of us has some type of disability, some more prominent than others. Calm down Janet. Maybe you are having a rough week, but let others voice their opinions.
Let the justice system assess this child, and possibly the parents too. Don’t jump to conclusions that he is mentally handicapped. D, do you have any follow up reports on this?
Susie, no more updates on this as yet.
D.
SUSIE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ONE THING. SEE MY SON CAN HAVE OUTBURST WHEN WE ARE OUT & PEOPLE WILL STARE AT US LIKE WE DON’T DISCIPLINE OUR SON & I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE DON’T BELIEVE IN MENTAL ILLNESS THATS WHY I GET SO UPSET & PISSED OFF WHEN PEOPLE TALK LIKE THAT I’VE HAD TO DEAL WITH STUPID PEOPLE LIKE THIS ALL MY LIFE AS I SUFFER FROM CHRONIC DEPRESSION & SOME LEARNING DISABILITIES ALSO SO YOU’LL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I’M COMING FROM I HOPE. ALL I’M ASKING IS FOR PEOPLE NOT TO JUDGE UNTIL WE HAVE ALL THE FACTS & TO HAVE SOME COMPASSION FOR PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE JEFFERY DALMUR & SUCH BUT DO PEOPLE EVER STOP TO THINK THAT JUST MAYBE THEY WERE SUFFERING FROM SOME TYPE OF MENTAL ILLNESS? NO THEY DON’T. THEY MAY OF HAD SCHIZOPHRENIA & HEARD VOICES TELLING THEM TO DO THESE THINGS DOES THIS MAKE IT RIGHT OF COURSE NOT BUT THERE IS A REASON THEY DID WHAT THEY DID & THEY COULDN’T HELP IT. AS I HAVE ALSO KNOWN PEOPLE WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA & IT’S NOT A PRETTY THING TO HAVE NEITHER IS ANY TYPE OF MENTAL ILLNESS. BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO FACE THE FACT THAT MENTAL ILLNESS DOES EXIST & IS VERY REAL.
Janet, I do understand. I do have compassion. BUT, the fact of the matter here is that what you are discussing is off topic. I understand how ANY child could act out, not only special ed kids. Let’s keep this on topic, discussing the horrific act of cruelty bestowed on poor Wiggles. As I said before, let’s wait for an answer from the authorities as to their assessment of the child and the parents. No one is judging, just voicing their opinions.
SUSIE IF YOU GO BACK A FEW LETTERS YOU WOULD SEE THAT I DON’T CONDONE WHAT THIS CHILD DID & YES I DO FEEL REALLY BAD FOR WIGGLES AS I ALWAYS FEEL BAD FOR ANY ANIMAL THAT IS HURT, I ALWAY HAVE & ALWAYS WILL. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I FEEL PEOPLE ARE JUDGING AS OTHER PEOPLE ON HERE HAVE BROUGHT UP JEFFERY DALMUR & OTHERS FIRST NOT ME SO EVERYONE ON HERE IS OFF TOPIC IF THATS THE CASE. ANYWAY I JUST WISH PEOPLE WOULD CALM DOWN BEFORE THEY WRITE ABOUT KILLING A CHILD AS I LEARNED TO NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY TOPIC ON HERE UNTILL I TRY TO CALM DOWN SO I DON’T SAY STUFF LIKE KILLING PEOPLE.
Janet, I have even brought up Dahmer, because it is relevant to this subject. It is a know fact that children up abuse, mame and kill animals at a young age, do tend to have murderous instincts as an adult.
As I said before, if others are judging, it is their opinion. This child is not guilty until he is proven guilty in a court of law – we do not even know if charges for this horrific incident are going to be brought upon his parents.
They are only words of digust Janet, when someone says anything about “killing” the child. Don’t take it literally.
SUSIE I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON HERE THAT POSTED ABOUT THIS. BUT WHEN JOAN CALLED THIS CHILD DAMAGED GOODS WELL THATS NOT RIGHT IF HE DOES HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS SORRY I TAKE IT PERSONALLY BUT TO ME THAT IS IMPLYING THAT ALL PEOPLE WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS ARE DAMAGED GOODS IE: DAHMER ECT… LIKE I SAID THE REASON I TAKE THAT SO PERSONALLY IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY MOST PEOPLE WHEN WE ARE OUT & MY SON ACTS UP & LIKE I SAID WE GET STARED AT LIKE WE DON’T DISCIPLINE OUR CHILD OR MAKE SNIDE REMARKS ABOUT IT & WHEN WE TELL THEM ABOUT HIS AUTISM THEY LOOK AT US LIKE WE ARE JUST MAKING EXCUSES BECAUSE THEY DON’T BELIEVE IN AUTISM OR MENTAL ILLNESS. WE HAVE TO LET THIS CHILD BE MENTALLY EVALUATED TO SEE IF HE DOES HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS THEN GET HIM THE HELP HE NEEDS IF THAT IS THE CASE. YES I KNOW PEOPLE GET PISSED ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A CHILD WE NEED TO KINDA HOLD OUR TONGUES JUST A LITTLE & THINK ABOUT IF THIS WAS OUR CHILD. ALSO I DON’T BELIEVE THAT HITTING THIS CHILD WILL HELP MATTERS ANY EITHER. VIOLENT’S BEGETS VIOLENT’S.
Hey, here’s an idea…I have three 100 pound dogs, why not let this kid in my yard to play with my dogs?
Do you think he would even enter your yard totonicki? Wiggles was a small dog. Don’t think this kid would attempt going in your yard, and bet ya, your pups would not even let him enter!!!
Not at all, you are quite correct in your assumption that he picked on a dog that could not fight back, typical sign of someone with low self-esteem, pick on someone weeker so you can feel bigger. It’s a sad world we live in right now.
Janet, this B*&^% actually has taught children with severe mental problems, and for you to call me that not once, but twice, shows a real lack of class and compassion on your part. I am also a rescue carer of abused animals, and have adopted 4 of them, so not only have I taught abused human children; I have also loved and continue to love abused fur babies. I am personally sick of all the criminals in the world who get caught and then automatically plead mental illness to lessen the sentence. It makes the plight of people who actually DO have a mental illness seem like a joke. You say that I am a bitch for judging the spawn who torured this dog; well didn’t you judge me? And as I have many friends in the legal system and child services, I happen to know that the first thing they would do is report to the media if this child had a history of mental illness or any other pre-diagnosed conditions, as it makes the bleeding heart civil libertarians jump up and get involved. And I do not for a second believe that this child has a mental illness; he chose little Wiggles as a victim because he knew that this tiny dog could not fight back. That is the sign of an evil, sadistic bully, not a sick child.
Whoa. We are not talking about “mental problems”. People are comparing depression, Alzheimers, autism, illnesses with bad behavior and violent outbursts, and saying people with these problems would not abuse an animal. Ok, but this is a different situation. In this case the 7-year-old, on his own, sought out a smaller creature to torture. This causes concern both about his current behavior and his future behavior. But to call him a “evil, sadistic bully” is completely wrong.
A 7-year-old who seeks out someone smaller to abuse, is a child (barely more than a baby) who is being SEVERLY ABUSED at home. I am not inventing this diagnosis: please see all the research of Dr. Bruce Perry, and his Child Trauma Academy, for information about how early severe child abuse causes young children to act out. For more info see this website: http://www.childtrauma.org
It is a tragedy that it took the horrible abuse of this dog to bring some attention to the 7-year-old’s home life. It would be even more tragic if all this brought the kid is more abuse and anger, and if he were then returned to the people who did this to him. I am sure that the kid has no “pre-diagnosed conditions” because his neglectful and abusive parents would not want to bring anything to a doctor who might report child abuse.
We dog lovers can all understand that if someone raises a puppy by beating, neglecting and abusing it, then the dog will have problems and probably bite someone. We would not call the dog “evil and sadistic”, we would think of the tragedy that this dog was raised wrong. So at least apply that backwards to a 7-year-old who is raised with such violence (we are not talking about discipline, we are talking about child abuse).
If Best Friends Animal Society can rehabilitate Michael Vick’s vicious pit bulls into good dogs, doesn’t everyone think that a 7-year-old also deserves the same chance to be rehabilitated as a pit bull does?
Caring about animals does not make us bleeding-heart civil liberatarians. Caring about very young children (we are not talking about some 15-year-old who is working the system) does not make us bleeding heart, excuse-making idiots either.
One of the problems with trying to get people to take animal abuse seriously is when people reply, “oh, you animal lovers, you care more about dogs than humans.” Posts like this on a message board where people are turning on a 7-year-old, only makes this situation worse. If you can’t feel compassion for a 7-year-old by imagining what he must have experienced at home to make him this cruel, at least realize that by appearing this insensitive to a human, you are just reinforcing a stereotype and making it harder to take animal abuse seriously.
ALL of our hearts go out to poor Wiggles, the helpless victim, and his owner. I hope that one day, all of our hearts go out to this little child, who does not have an “owner” who loves and cares about him as much as Wiggles’ owner. Let’s hope he gets help and does not be allowed to be in a position to do this again.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. AS YOU PUT IT SO WELL.
LAUREN HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW THAT THIS CHILD WAS EVEN TESTED FOR ANY TYPE OF MENTAL ILLNESS. YOU SAY I HAVE NO CLASS OR COMPASSION, WELL WHAT ABOUT EVERYONE ON HERE WHO WANTS TO MURDER THIS CHILD INSTEAD OF TRYING TO HELP THIS CHILD? YOU SAID HE IS AN EVIL SADISTIC BULLY WELL WHERE DID HE LEARN TO BE LIKE THAT? ALL I’M TRYING TO GET ACROSS TO EVERYONE IS WE SHOULD TRY TO HELP THIS CHILD BEFORE HE BECOMES ANOTHER DAHMER NOT MURDER HIM HIM. HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS HOME & PUT IN AN INSTITUTION FOR AN EVALUATION & IF HER IS FOUND TO HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS THEN HE SHOULD REMAIN THERE FOR LIFE BUT IF HE IS FOUND TO NOT HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS HE SHOULD BE PLACED WITH A LOVING CHRISTIAN FAMILY THAT WILL TEACH HIM RIGHT FROM WRONG. AND DON’T GET ME WRONG I WOULD NEVER CONDONE WHAT HE DID BUT WE ALL MUST HAVE COMPASSION FOR ALL THINGS HUMAN OR ANIMAL. AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE B**** COMMENTS AS I WAS OUT OF LINE THERE BUT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND 1 THING. MY CHILD WHO HAS AUTISM WILL SOMETIME ACT OUT IN PUBLIC & SOME PEOPLE WOULD STARE AT US LIKE WE ARE BAD PARENTS FOR NOT DISCIPLINING OUR CHILD & WHEN WE EXPLAIN THE SITUATION TO MOST OF THEM THEY DON’T BELIEVE IN AUTISM OR MENTAL ILLNESS THATS WHY I GOT ALL PISSED OFF IT JUST GETS TO ME HOW SOME PEOPLE WILL DISMISS MENTAL ILLNESS AS SOMETHING THAT DON’T EXIST.
People – please chill a little! I really dislike closing threads but dislike more for them to get out of hand.
Janet, my friend, your point is understood and like was said, I don’t think anyone here would actually hurt a child but this is a place to vent. Please, don’t take this personally. I understand where you are coming from.
From my point of view, this child desperately needs help and we can only hope that he will get it or he’s on a dangerous road right now. Mentally ill, budding sociopath or whatever, his actions have called attention to a problem, hopefully the right people will listen and take action.
D.
DEANNA I DID APOLOGIZE TO LAUREN AS I EXPLAINED TO HER WE DO NOT KNOW THE REAL SITUATION OF THIS CHILD. AND BEING THE MOTHER OF A CHILD WITH AUTISM HOW WE ARE SOMETIMES TREATED IS WHY I GOT SO MAD. MORFEEN SAID IT BEST AS TO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. THIS CHILD HAD TO LEARN THIS BEHAVIOR SOMEWHERE AS I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A 7 YEAR OLD DO THIS WITHOUT SEEING IT BEING DONE. COULD HE HAVE SEEN 1 OR BOTH OF HIS PARENTS DOING THIS TO A DOG? WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHERE HE GOT THE IDEA TO DO THIS. WE NEED TO HELP THIS CHILD NOT MURDER HIM.
I am upset that Michael Vick’s dogs were called dangerous. The ones that were saved were used as potential fighting bait and not trained killers. The troubed dangerous dogs were put to sleep as well as the sick ones. The thirty or so other dogs were socalized to become family pets by groups like Bad Rep. I owned a pit for 15 years and I still miss him. He died from old age in 1992 and I still have many great memories of him. If I ever get another dog, it will be a pit.
I suggest that people look at the dogs’ stories behind the Michael Vick story. The majority of them are in loving homes with only a few still waiting for their “forever” home. Pits are dangerous only when idiots decide to make them so.
Also, can we end this endless debate on the 7 year Nevada boy that beat Wiggles. The discussion is so off base and it is time to move on to another topic. I do not have any kids and it is the parent’s jobs and then the authorities’ duties to deal with kids who break the laws or severly misbehave. Why do people who have no connections with a child have responsibilities to him or her.
JOAN THE REASON THIS DEBATE IS GOING ON WITH THIS CHILD IS BECAUSE HE CLEARLY NEEDS HELP BEFORE HE HURTS ANOTHER ANIMAL OR HUMAN BEING. THE REASON I CARE ABOUT THIS CHILD IS BECAUSE LIKE OTHERS WE HAVE COMPASSION FOR ALL OF GODS CREATURES BE IT ANIMAL OR HUMAN. I DON’T THINK WE ARE WAY OFF BASE TO WONDER IF THIS CHILD MIGHT HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HE LEARNED AT HOME. EITHER WAY THIS HAS TO BE DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY.