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Sorry it took me so long to get back here..busy weekend..

According to the July 20th Issue of the State Gazette..Dyersburg TN newspaper.. quoting from the article directly..

“Among the nine rules in the agreement, The Fairs were to forfeit all the dogs except for “an apricot colored poodle, a French bull dog and two Boston Terriers” and they had to be spayed or neutered..”

Interesting choice of words. Lets have a look at them.
Exaggerated—implies that something is imagined bigger or more extreme than it really is.
*News flash. PETA, the HSUS, Best Friends and a multitude of other “animal rights” groups, have not only condoned animal terrorism (this means really causing harm, not just imagined harm) but they have encouraged it. Best Friends like, many other groups, is for the systematic extinction of many breeds of dog as well.
If being “afraid of change” amounts to NOT agreeing with the animal rights movement, then you bet your butt that’s where I stand. I would no more agree to animal rights as I would to the genocide of any part of the human race.

“Because you have in all of your posts. I live in very small town. We have trees, paved streets, large homes, estates and small farms with acres of wide open spaces. It’s a beautiful town. I could live in Obion County and I’d still be against living off of mass breeding. Since this is about dogs and over breeding, I’ll move on.”

Then why would you ASK why some one would choose to breed out of sight in the country. Are you just purposely playing ignorant? If you are then don’t be surprised when you are given back tongue and cheek answers.

“Your reason for mass breeders keeping the animals in the woods, under trees, is for comfort? With temps reaching over 100 degrees in the summer and 10 degrees in the winter, confining dogs in cages under trees (in the woods) supplies little, if any, relief from the elements. That would imply, their just more or less hidden.”

You imply that these dogs were being housed in open pens left to the elements. This is untrue. They had a puppy building and whelping house that was temperature controlled. They were kept in standing pens, each with a dog house at the end, and under a large garage when they were adults.
When you keep dogs completely confined to a building you cannot get air flow. Not having airflow is the number one reason a dog or any animal will contract upper respiratory issues. It is not unhealthy or cruel for a dog to be kept out of doors as long as they have shade, shelter, food and water, which all of those dogs did have.
Animals, unlike humans, have not lost their acclimation to the elements. They are, after all, covered in hair (except for a few breeds which are susceptible to the extreme cold). Dogs acclimate, and many do very well in out door kennels as long as shelter is provided.

“Of course I invite people into my home. I’m not concerned they will kill me, my dogs or burn my house down. If that fear goes with mass breeding, it must be a miserable life to live with such paranoia.”

Then that is your choice. When you loose a litter of puppies to disease or find yourself robbed maybe you will look back at this moment and wish you had taken the warning seriously. Maybe you don’t breed at all, and if you don’t then your point, is pointless. Would you sell fine jewelry from your home? Most people wouldn’t because the risk of robbery would be too great. I let people in my home too. But I cannot blame those who do not want them there. Honestly it is safer, it is wiser, and as time change it will become more common. It may take a few more breeders being shot, stabbed or held at gun point but it won’t be long.

“If you’ve checked shelters lately, they house mixed breeds and pure bred dogs as well. Certainly not as many pure breds but that’s why spaying an neutering is important. Some people get dogs then use the worn out excuse they can’t afford to spay or neuter. If they can’t afford that, they can’t afford the dog because one annual check up is more expensive than spaying or neutering. If mass breeders are concerned with the well known fact that shelters are full of dogs now, why wouldn’t mass breed. The only logical reason they continue is, puppies mean money for them.”

And what does that have to do with anything? People who are looking for pure bred dogs have no interest in a mix. Those who want a dog for little to nothing and have no interest in knowing the general size or temperament will. That is an old worn out excuse for not breeding (for any reason)…it is tired and out of date.
What’s in your local shelter will also depend on a lot. There are shelters across the country that are practically empty of adoptable dogs while others overflow. Most of the unwanted dogs are large mix bred dogs. If the shelters are SO over crowed then WHY are we importing tens of thousands of dogs from foreign countries to be adopted out. Why would any sane rescue group do this with so many dogs already available????
While there are areas of high euthanasia rate there are just as many that have 0 and the only reason there are any dogs being destroyed is because the rescues and HS groups choose not to network.

“You’ve explained in previous responses, mass breeders don’t make a lot of money. That brings up the health issues. When some breeders begin breeding dogs before they are 2 years old, they are prone to many health issues. That’s just the females. They can’t, or don’t, pay a veterinarian to thoroughly check each dog on a regular basis because it’s too expensive so problems are not found until the dog or dogs are too sick to help.”

2 years old is NOT a magical number. It does not signify the time at which a dog will miraculously show a health issue. Second your average vet is NOT going to be able to diagnose typical genetic issues in many breeds of dog.
The US is the only country at which the 2 year old mark is used for orthopedic issues. Heart and eye issues can and often are, diagnosable as young as 6 months old. Unfortunately in toy breeds, as well as a few large ones, there are genetic issues that do not show up until 6-9 years of age? Do you propose waiting until then to breed a dog?
In toys it is very common and accepted to breed a dog any where from 14-20 months for the first time. Some breeders feel it is vital that they be bred young because the pelvis has not had time to set and is still flexible. Others feel they actually do better as a mother, to start young.
In the wild animals breed and reproduce when their bodies signify they are ready. This usually means they go into a type of season. Do you REALLY think that coyote, wolves, wild dogs, cats, etc, wait until they are two years old before they breed?
Dogs existed thousands and thousands and thousands of years before there was the first vet, or even the first health test. Breeds survived, heck they even thrived, because the method of breeding before people started putting dogs in some sort of bizarre pseudo human status, was that if it could not hunt, could not work, did not train, did not survive to breed on its own, it was destroyed. Much like nature. Survival of the fittest if you would.
We have made our dogs weak, we have created animals that are in need of testing because we have become soft. Today we place the unwanted animals as “pets” we use fertility specialists to force dogs to procreate that otherwise could not on their own, we breed bitches that lack no sense when it comes to maternal instinct but that is okay, we keep them indoors, under a watchful eye, they need not be able to clean, cut cords, or care for puppies because we will do it for them.
Some of us breed show dogs to produce show dogs, while others only breed dogs that can naturally survive. While it may seem different, in the end neither method is perfect and neither method is really “responsible”.
However we do it, because like so many things in our human existence it’s something we desire and therefor we will have it.

“You said -”Old dogs are not a pretty sight”. Many are very pretty.”

Come on….
Some people have pretty grand-ma’s too but how many people stuff their aging and decrepit parents away in a nursing home because they don’t want to look at them and they are unable to meet their needs.
Old is “pretty” until they go deaf, blind, crippled, start wetting themselves, or have problems eating and dribble food all down their coats. “Old” at maybe 7-8 years old…but in some breeds when a dog is pushing ten they are seriously breaking down.

“It’s a fact, dogs that are cared for live much longer than those that are not.”

Then tell me please how these commercial kennels are having dogs that are living to 10-15 years old, and in some cases older, if they are not being cared for??? And yes, dogs who receive care do live longer generally, what’s your point?

“I have been lucky in that my dogs have lived to be 14 and a couple older than that. My cats have lived to be as old as 20. Euthanasia was my veterinarian’s suggestion when they could no longer be helped and were dying of metastatic cancer or kidney failure. I’ve never had one die due to over breeding.”

Most dogs don’t die from over breeding. Yet another no-puppy-mills myth. Giving birth is a dangerous job. Women died by the hundreds of thousands before modern medicine. Very few made it through child birth. When you live in an area where there is not 24 vet care available, loosing a bitch is to be expected. 50 years ago before the advancements in modern vet medicine, loosing bitches was also common. In any area of animal husbandry, animals die. Yes you take care of them but they still die.
A uterus can rupture on the first litter as easily as it can on the last. A bitch can throw a blood clot on the first litter as easily as she can on the last.
If you have not had a bitch die, then you are lucky. I have had many friends who go to breed their champion bitch who have lost her and been devastated. They simply cannot figure out what they did wrong. The fact is they did nothing wrong, it was simply the will of nature. If you breed long enough you will experience just about everything. Most people don’t last through the first disaster.

“Since those were my last few questions for you, I leave this forum respectfully thanking you for the sometimes exaggerated and sometimes comical explanations.”

And I will leave you and wish that I too could share that perfect world you have imagined for yourself, where all the citizens without bread, shall eat cake.

” I think you’ve proven just how far one can take the excuses for those who make a living off of mass breeding. When the laws change and they can no longer make a living this way, other professions will have to be accepted. No doubt, that day will come.”

And when the laws change, it will be the small hobby breeder that will go extinct. You will not be willing to raise your dogs on wire, you will not be willing to raise your animals in sterilized conditions, you will not be able to take the time to catalog every bowl movement, every feeding, keep dogs tagged and numbered like stock…..because THAT is what is happening, slowly but surly, dog breeds are being made illegal and breeding regulations are falling into place. Now the puppy black market in Mexico is flourishingly and sick and dying pets are being smuggled in every day. The new heroine, the new illegal trade.
And when the show breeders here in the US can no longer meet the *exaggerated* requirements set forth by the USDA, and our breeds die out or are only represented by the commercial dog producing industry…you can thank yourself. Heck…I say stand up and take a round of applause.

Your reason for mass breeders keeping the animals in the woods, under trees, is for comfort? With temps reaching over 100 degrees in the summer and 10 degrees in the winter, confining dogs in cages under trees (in the woods) supplies little, if any, relief from the elements. That would imply, their just more or less hidden.

Of course I invite people into my home. I’m not concerned they will kill me, my dogs or burn my house down. If that fear goes with mass breeding, it must be a miserable life to live with such paranoia.

If you’ve checked shelters lately, they house mixed breeds and pure bred dogs as well. Certainly not as many pure breds but that’s why spaying an neutering is important. Some people get dogs then use the worn out excuse they can’t afford to spay or neuter. If they can’t afford that, they can’t afford the dog because one annual check up is more expensive than spaying or neutering. If mass breeders are concerned with the well known fact that shelters are full of dogs now, why wouldn’t mass breed. The only logical reason they continue is, puppies mean money for them.

You’ve explained in previous responses, mass breeders don’t make a lot of money. That brings up the health issues. When some breeders begin breeding dogs before they are 2 years old, they are prone to many health issues. That’s just the females. They can’t, or don’t, pay a veterinarian to thoroughly check each dog on a regular basis because it’s too expensive so problems are not found until the dog or dogs are too sick to help.

You said -”Old dogs are not a pretty sight”. Many are very pretty. It’s a fact, dogs that are cared for live much longer than those that are not. I have been lucky in that my dogs have lived to be 14 and a couple older than that. My cats have lived to be as old as 20. Euthanasia was my veterinarian’s suggestion when they could no longer be helped and were dying of metastatic cancer or kidney failure. I’ve never had one die due to over breeding.

Since those were my last few questions for you, I leave this forum respectfully thanking you for the sometimes exaggerated and sometimes comical explanations. I think you’ve proven just how far one can take the excuses for those who make a living off of mass breeding. When the laws change and they can no longer make a living this way, other professions will have to be accepted. No doubt, that day will come.